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    Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) - AVIOTEC IP starlight 8000

    This article gives answers to frequently asked questions regarding the AVIOTEC IP Starlight 8000 Video-based fire detection.

     

    📚 Overview

    1 Can AVIOTEC replace fire detectors required by standards?

    2 Which cameras are available with video-based fire detection?

    3 Can additional housings be used for the video-based fire detection AVIOTEC?

    4 What is the minimum distance from AVIOTEC to the fire source to detect a fire?

    5 What is the maximum distance from the camera to the fire source to detect a fire?

    6 Which flame size can be detected with standard settings?

    7 Is the detection of smoke independently from the smoke color?

    8 Can AVIOTEC detect fires during fog, snowstorm, sandstorm or clouded lens?

    9 Is it possible to detect burning moving objects?

    10 What is the minimum illumination level needed for AVIOTEC?

    11 How can I measure the illumination of a scene?

    12 Does AVIOTEC detect flames and smoke?

    13 Where does AVIOTEC detect flames and smoke?

    14 Which test fires are tested?

    15 Does AVIOTEC detect each kind of smoke?

    16 Can customers use alarm-based recording for root-cause analysis?

    17 Does AVIOTEC compete against standard fire detectors?

    18 Is there a regulation?

    19 Why do standard fire detectors don’t work well in large halls/ high ceiling areas?

    20 Why not use a thermal camera?

    21 Regarding the AVIOTEC algorithm: is it camera- or server-based?

    22 Which systems can process AVIOTEC alarms?

    23 Which effort is needed to configure it in the applications?

    24 Is AVIOTEC certified?

    25 Where can I find more information about the product?

    26 How do I install/ position the camera, which angle?

    27 Can I use standard positions of existing video surveillance cameras for video-based fire detection?

    28 Does the fire algorithm replace intelligent video analysis (VCA)?

    29 Is the picture quality the same known from Bosch surveillance cameras?

    30 How can I view the video?

    31 How do I see the alarm?

    32 Is AVIOTEC integrated in 3rd party video management systems (VMS)?

    33 Can I get alarms via ONVIF?

    34 Is it possible to set the sensitivity?

    35 Is it one alarm that is triggered (OR connection)?

    36 What do I connect to store and monitor?

    37 How do I connect AVIOTEC to my fire alarm panel?

    38 What is POE and how does it work?

    39 Does the camera use image databases to detect fires?

    40 Can we individually change the algorithm?

    41 Can the masking be set time dependently?

    42 How is the maintenance for AVIOTEC?

    43 What to do in case of false alarms? How can they be prevented?

    44 Are there special mounting accessories for environments with vibrations from Bosch? How does this af...

    45 How can I provide power supply backup to the camera? With which kind of certification power supply b...

    46 What type of wire do I need to connect the camera (fire resistant?, Regular UTP?)?

    47 In case of multiple fires in the area one AVIOTEC is monitoring: Are there any restrictions on the m...

    48 Is it possible to monitor a trouble signal from the camera by the same relay that we monitor the ala...

    49 As the relay only activates on alarm, how do you monitor troubles in the camera (power off, masking,...

    50 If the flame is not fully visible, is AVIOTEC able to detect the flame?

    51 Which verticals are interesting because of the newest AVIOTEC FW version 7.72 with 0 lux possibility...

    52 For day and night: Is there a separate configuration necessary?

    53 Which IR illuminators can be used for the 0 lux applications?

    54 Is there a possibility to have automatic incident detection in tunnels at the same time with video f...

    55 How to handle actual installations? Changing the mode to auto or leave it at color?

    56 How many masks can be set at the same time in one field of view?

     

    1. Question

    Can AVIOTEC replace fire detectors required by standards?

     

    Answer

    No, there is no product standard available for video fire detection.

    Therefore, it is an additional technology, which is for example considered useful to comprehensive risk assessment.

    AVIOTEC is used in areas/ applications, where standard fire detectors are not required by law/ standard or the necessary parties signed a special fire protection concept.

     

    2. Question

    Which cameras are available with video-based fire detection?

     

    Answer 

    One box camera version is available: AVIOTEC IP starlight 8000.

     

    3. Question

    Can additional housings be used for the video-based fire detection AVIOTEC?

     

    Answer 

    Yes, all protective housings that are used for the DINION IP starlight 8000 camera range (UHI-OG-0, UHI-OG S-0, UHO-POE10, UHO-HBG S-11, UHO-HBG S-51, UHO-HBG S-61) can be used -> Check the AVIOTEC page (accessories) at your regional product catalogue for details).

     

    4. Question 

    What is the minimum distance from AVIOTEC to the fire source to detect a fire?

     

    Answer 

    The minimum distance depends on the mounting height. The vertical mounting angle must be 37,5° or less.
    For example: if AVIOTEC is installed at a height of 7m the minimum distance to the fire is 9,3m.

     

    5. Question 

    What is the maximum distance from the camera to the fire source to detect a fire?

     

    Answer 

    The maximum distance depends on the used lens, its opening angle and the mounting height.
    For example: The maximum distance for a TF5 fire is 23m with a 90° lens opening angle. For an exact planning have a look at the planning tool. Find it at the product catalogue

     

    6. Question 

    Which flame size can be detected with standard settings?

     

    Answer 

    AVIOTEC detects flames with a size larger than 1,1% of the picture width with standard settings.

    Therefore, the detectable flame size in 23m is 0,5m. To see detectable smoke/ flame sizes in the customers application use the planning tool! 

     

    7. Question

    Is the detection of smoke independently from the smoke color?

     

    Answer

    AVIOTEC is able to detect grey and white smoke with an opacity of 40%.Black smoke is hard to detect due to missing structure and opacity (if the black smoke has the necessary opacity, it is a big open fire -> AVIOTEC will trigger the flame way earlier).

     

    8. Question

    Can AVIOTEC detect fires during fog, snowstorm, sandstorm or clouded lens?

     

    Answer

    No, the detection is based on an optical principle. If fires are covered by disturbance factors AVIOTEC can’t detect it.

     

    9. Question

    Is it possible to detect burning moving objects?

     

    Answer

    No, AVIOTEC detects fires, which are in a stable position in the picture.

     

    10. Question

    What is the minimum illumination level needed for AVIOTEC?

     

    Answer

    AVIOTEC needs a minimum illumination level of 2 Lux. If the illumination is less than 2 Lux IR illuminators can assist and let AVIOTEC detect also in 0 lux illuminated areas. For more details have a look at the newest FW version 7.72 manual.

     

    11 Question

    How can I measure the illumination of a scene?

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    Answer

    Lux meters can be used to measure the illumination. For a first guess tables exists with typical illumination levels:

     

    12. Question

    Does AVIOTEC detect flames and smoke?

     

    Answer

    Yes, it detects flames and moving smoke. The user can also decide only to use flame or smoke detection. The detection is an OR connection. That means that either smoke or flame must be in AVIOTEC’s viewing area.

     

    13. Question

    Where does AVIOTEC detect flames and smoke?

     

    Answer

    Flames and smoke can be detected within the full field of view of the camera.

     

    14. Question

    Which test fires are tested?

     

    Answer

    AVIOTEC can detect all test fires according to ISO/ EN standards:
    - Open cellulosic (wood) fire (TF1)
    - Smoldering (pyrolysis) wood fire (TF2)
    - Glowing smoldering cotton fire (TF3)
    - Flaming plastics (polyurethane) fire (TF4)
    - Flaming liquid (n-heptane) fire (TF5)
    - Liquid (methylated spirit) fire (TF6)
    - Low temperature black smoke (decalin) liquid fire (TF8)

     

    15. Question

    Does AVIOTEC detect each kind of smoke?

     

    Answer

    The algorithm can detect up- and side-wards moving smoke up to an 180° opening angle. Ambient smoke with no movement and downwards rising smoke will not be detected.

     

    16. Question

    Can customers use alarm-based recording for root-cause analysis?

     

    Answer

    Yes, this feature can be used. Please make sure that the customer has agreed with the recording in the contract/ on an extra paper.

     

    17. Question

    Does AVIOTEC compete against standard fire detectors?

     

    Answer

    No, AVIOTEC is a supplementary system to existing fire detection technologies. On top of that: AVIOTEC can be used in applications where normal fire detectors are not installed due to ambient conditions (high ceilings, dusty /humid applications…)

     

    18. Question

    Is there a regulation?

     

    Answer

    Not at EN and ISO level. UL has an outline of the smoke detector standard and FM a test standard for video-based fire detection. Also, VdS now has developed an official guideline (VdS 3847).

     

    19. Question

    Why do standard fire detectors don’t work well in large halls/ high ceiling areas?

     

    Answer

    Standard fire detectors are mounted at the ceiling. Smoke from a fire source must reach the detector. The higher the ceiling,
    the longer this process will take. Due to a longer detection time, fires can develop faster than being detected early by the AVIOTEC. In special cases inversion layers can exist in big halls (the reason behind are heat pockets beneath the ceiling). The smoke will not reach the ceiling -> standard fire detectors cannot trigger an alarm.

     

    20. Question

    Why not use a thermal camera?

     

    Answer

    Thermal cameras can detect heat. Smoke plumes from hidden smoldering fires cannot be detected.

     

    21. Question

    Regarding the AVIOTEC algorithm: is it camera- or server-based?

     

    Answer

    The AVIOTEC algorithm is an integrated solution inside AVIOTEC itself. The fire detection is independently from the connected server.

     

    22. Question

    Which systems can process AVIOTEC alarms?

     

    Answer

    Alarms can be transmitted via relay, metadata or ONVIF. Each system which can work with these data can be used.

     

    23. Question

    Which effort is needed to configure it in the applications?

     

    Answer

    In the camera itself, the fire and smoke detection is active with its standard settings as soon as the camera is installed,
    powered up and the focus set. If needed/wanted the standard settings can be changed to special needs in the application (only two sliders and masking possibilities).

     

    24. Question

    Is AVIOTEC certified?

     

    Answer

    AVIOTEC has a VdS certification with a G number (G217090). It also has a certification from the CSIRO

     

    25. Question

    Where can I find more information about the product?

     

    Answer

    You can download operating and installation manuals, brochures, films and power point presentations from the Bosch product catalogue.

     

    26. Question

    How do I install/ position the camera, which angle?

     

    Answer

    Please check the operation guide of AVIOTEC for installation requirements. Also, plan the application of the customer within the planning tool for AVIOTEC.

     

    27. Question

    Can I use standard positions of existing video surveillance cameras for video-based fire detection?

     

    Answer

    Use the operation guide of AVIOTEC to check, if the position meets the requirements of AVIOTEC.

     

    28. Question

    Does the fire algorithm replace intelligent video analysis (VCA)?

     

    Answer

    No. Intelligent video analytics and video-based fire detection can be used in parallel but AVIOTEC must be planned an installed according to the operation guide. This is necessary to ensure the detection reliability for fire.

     

    29. Question

    Is the picture quality the same known from Bosch surveillance cameras?

     

    Answer

    No. Several adoptions at the picture were made to improve the fire detection functionality.

     

    30. Question

    How can I view the video?

     

    Answer

    Using standard browser (internet explorer) or video management systems.

     

    31. Question

    How do I see the alarm?

     

    Answer

    This depends on the used management system. You can also use the web interface of AVIOTEC. Use the operation guide of AVIOTEC for detailed information.

     

    32. Question

    Is AVIOTEC integrated in 3rd party video management systems (VMS)?

     

    Answer

    Via ONVIF and standard protocols (ETH connection) AVIOTEC is connectable to 3rd party VMS. AVIOTEC is fully integrated e.g. into the BVMS (Bosch VMS), Genetec, Seetec and Milestone systems (state 10/2018).

     

    33. Question

    Can I get alarms via ONVIF?

     

    Answer

    Yes, also ONVIF alarms will be transmitted.

     

    34. Question

    Is it possible to set the sensitivity?

    In different applications, different false alarm rates might be acceptable.

     

    Answer

    Yes. You can choose different sensitivity settings according to the application needs (please check the operation guide regarding the exact settings).

     

    35. Question

    Is it one alarm that is triggered (OR connection)?

     

    Answer

    The alarms are triggered independently: one for smoke and one for flame. Either one of those has to be in the field of view of the camera to trigger a fire alarm.

     

    36. Question

    What do I connect to store and monitor?

     

    Answer

    Storage devices can be connected via network. AVIOTEC can be connected into the IP network.

     

    37. Question

    How do I connect AVIOTEC to my fire alarm panel?

     

    Answer

    We do not recommend connecting AVIOTEC directly (as a detector triggering external alarms) to a fire panel. Due to missing standards for VFD the direct connection to a fire alarm panel is only allowed as a local alarm; authorities will not be notified.

    You can use the relay output of the camera for direct connection to the fire alarm panel. In special applications a dedicated fire alarm concept defined by every necessary party can change this. –> needs to be defined individually.

     

    38. Question

    What is POE and how does it work?

     

    Answer

    POE is an abbreviation for Power Over Ethernet. The Ethernet cable will be used for data transmission and empowering the devices. POE is standardized according to IEEE 802.3af-2003 or IEEE 802.3at-200 works with 48V.

     

    39. Question

    Does the camera use image databases to detect fires?

     

    Answer

    No. There are no pre-learned fire sequences used to detect fires. AVIOTEC uses physical behavior algorithms to detect fires in the scene

    The algorithm inside AVIOTEC is a mixture of physical behavior algorithms and an artificial intelligence. With the newest FW of AVIOTEC the benefits of this combination are measurable.

     

    40. Question

    Can we individually change the algorithm?

     

    Answer

    The algorithm can be adopted by sensitivity settings and verification time by using the web-interface. Also masking for flames/smoke can be inserted to adopt AVIOTEC to the applications needs. Please use the operation guide of AVIOTEC for get to know the details.

     

    41. Question

    Can the masking be set time dependently?

     

    Answer

    Since the FW release 7.61 it is possible to set three different profiles. Per profile, sensitivity settings, verification time and masking can be set separately. They can be set in a scheduler and adjusted to the applications needs (e.g. higher sensitivity during nighttime because no employees are around and fires need to be detected even earlier).
    Also RCP commands can be used to switch between the profiles.

     

    42. Question

    How is the maintenance for AVIOTEC?

     

    Answer

    Please have a look at the new operation guide (since FW 6.50). The operation guide explains the proposed maintenance plans (according to the standards VDE gave for standard fire detectors).

     

    43. Question

    What to do in case of false alarms? How can they be prevented?

     

    Answer

    We have different setting possibilities to reject false alarms. Sensitivity slider and verification time can be adjusted. Also masking features and different installation positions from AVIOTEC can minimize false alarms. Please have a look at the operation guide where the influences and countermeasures are explained.

     

    44. Question

    Are there special mounting accessories for environments with vibrations from Bosch? How does this affect the camera?

     

    Answer

    Vibrations will affect the camera regarding false alarms. A vibrating camera can cause flame false alarms. To prevent those false alarms, choose another position to install AVIOTEC if it is possible in the area. If there is no possibility to install AVIOTEC without having vibrations there is the need to look for hardware, mounting the camera “vibration free”. From Bosch we do not have such a HW right now.

     

    45. Question

    How can I provide power supply backup to the camera? With which kind of certification power supply backup must comply?

     

    Answer

    Providing power to AVITOEC is possible via POE or/and 12V DC. If you provide both ways, there is going to be a redundant power supplied. Now AVIOTEC has a VdS certification and no EN/FM/UL. This means that there is no standard requiring power supply back up for AVIOTEC. If you connect AVIOTEC via the relay to the fire panel and include it into the fire concept, make sure to define the power supply backup there.

     

    46. Question

    What type of wire do I need to connect the camera (fire resistant?, Regular UTP?)?

     

    Answer

    Regarding cables we do not have any special request. Use the common fire cable for your region.

     

    47. Question

    In case of multiple fires in the area one AVIOTEC is monitoring: Are there any restrictions on the maximum number of fire focus can be detected and generate alarms with only one AVIOTEC?

     

    Answer

    AVIOTEC can trigger up to 256 different fire (smoke or flame) events in one field of view.

     

    48. Question

    Is it possible to monitor a trouble signal from the camera by the same relay that we monitor the alarm with?

     

    Answer

    Right now, this is not possible.

     

    49. Question

    As the relay only activates on alarm, how do you monitor troubles in the camera (power off, masking, etc)?

     

    Answer

    This can only be monitored by watching the video image of the camera-> or the camera is connected via Ethernet to a VMS, a shutdown/reboot (watchdog) from the camera would be detected by the VMS.

     

    50. Question

    If the flame is not fully visible, is AVIOTEC able to detect the flame?

     

    Answer

    AVIOTEC can detect a flame which has a size of 1,1% of the pixels from the field of view. The flame also needs to have a stable flame core and flickering to be detected by AVIOTEC. If the flame is half covered, it will need longer to be detected by AVIOTEC because it needs to develop longer. Nevertheless, as soon as the size is reached and the criteria are fitting, AVIOTEC will detect the flames.
    Invisible flames cannot be detected -> no color, no flame core, only flickering which is hard to see also for the camera. AVIOTEC is an optical detection and not based on IR/UV.

     

    51. Question

    Which verticals are interesting because of the newest AVIOTEC FW version 7.72 with 0 lux possibility?

     

    Answer

    With the newest FW version applications get interesting where an invisible detection is necessary (without visible light). Also, applications where no redundant light can/ shall be installed – the IR illumination is less power consumption and ensures fire detection until the light is repaired.

     

    52. Question

    For day and night: Is there a separate configuration necessary?

     

    Answer

    No, the settings set for a profile are active day and night. If you want to have different settings for different modes: you can configure different time depending profiles

     

    53. Question

    Which IR illuminators can be used for the 0 lux applications?

     

    Answer

    IR illuminators having different wavelengths. For AVIOTEC 850nm as well as 940nm are working. Depending on the application itself, the respective range must be chosen. Make sure to test the illumination so that the whole field of view of AVIOTEC is illuminated.

     

    54. Question

    Is there a possibility to have automatic incident detection in tunnels at the same time with video fire detection?

     

    Answer

    Yes. With AVIOTEC 8 rules for AID can run in parallel to the fire detection.

     

    55. Question

    How to handle actual installations? Changing the mode to auto or leave it at color?

     

    Answer

    If IR illumination is already installed in this area the settings can be changed to automatic switch of color/ monochrome mode.
    If no IR illumination is installed yet, leave the settings as they are: color

     

    56. Question

    How many masks can be set at the same time in one field of view?

     

    Answer

    In total 16 masks can be set for each profile and each field of view of one AVIOTEC

     

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    • For a better understanding of using Video-based fire detection AVIOTEC IP starlight 8000 and its features, we encourage you to join our online Camera fundamentals for AVIOTEC training from Bosch Building Technologies Academy!
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